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Skyline Forums Skyline Game Engine Community Forums 2018-06-06T20:46:33+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/feed.php?f=50&t=2336 2018-06-06T20:46:33+01:00 2018-06-06T20:46:33+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2336&p=12559#p12559 <![CDATA[Re: SkylineLite installs, but dies on loading anything]]> yes, I am aware that adding debug info or even only increased string handling sometimes may pamper sections of memory so that access faults become hidden.

The nvidia 780M has 4GB dedicated GDDR5 RAM at its disposal. THe machine is basically a MSI GT70 barebone based clone.

And yes, take your time, - or rather: use it to remove problems others have now, I'm sure I will profit from that indirectly, too.

I'll be busy for a quite a while playing with skyline in what little spare time I have, but I think I can already say I like what I am seeing in terms of handling/user interface. Basically, I have 3 or 4 projects in mind, partly with prototypes already attempted in other engines. Looking forward to try them in skyline.

So let's see what progress can be made
Best regards
CJ

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2018-06-06T17:25:48+01:00 2018-06-06T17:25:48+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2336&p=12558#p12558 <![CDATA[Re: SkylineLite installs, but dies on loading anything]]>
i could always compile the app with debug information, and then you send a crash dump file. That would then be able to be imported into our IDE and find the source of the crash.

What vram does your gfx card have?

So the problem certainly needs looked into and i too will be happy to find the real cause.

As for the end game, yes, this is a known set of issues and is due to the last update. I will be looking into this over the week.

We would be happy to have you as a customer, and on buying the ferarri, that will be in a few years haha lol :P

Ill think of what we can do and then set up a new exe and send you when ready, but could be tomorrow as i am hunting some bugs down elsewhere too, at least you can trial skyline while i figure something out :P

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2018-06-06T17:06:21+01:00 2018-06-06T17:06:21+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2336&p=12556#p12556 <![CDATA[Re: SkylineLite installs, but dies on loading anything]]> believe it or not, the new exe seems to be running fine, at least on first sight.
I could load the hilly level with the cute jeep and drive it to my heart's content.
Basic action, like moving the car in the editor, also works well, for example.
I will of course try more when I find the time.

Now the not so good news:
compiling is greeted with no error but about ten warnings, mostly about missing materials.

Running the compiled game hangs/crashes it with a diagnostic, that "the application asked to be terminated in an unusual way"
(or the likes) followed with much the same standard pop-up window (".... ceased to run ...") the heretofore editor showed.

Since the scene is compiled to its own exe, this at least _could_ have the same reason, because I think your adaptions for the editor won't necessarily propagate to the engine's compiled produce; if so, we may have hit on something substantial that may occur on other windows 7 PCs, too.

So, thank you for the great engagement you showed to solve the problem.
let me confirm I'm further willing to help to get to the botttom of the problem, if you want me to.

What I am going to tr now is to see how easy or troublesome it will be to import a bunch of specific models into skyline, always a hard part when moving over to another game engine, as everybody knows. If that works out halfway well, it is most likely that you have won a customer willing to pay for what he's getting ( although, being a hobbyist only, I recommend to not order your new Ferrari right now)

Best regards
CJ

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2018-06-06T12:59:44+01:00 2018-06-06T12:59:44+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2336&p=12555#p12555 <![CDATA[Re: SkylineLite installs, but dies on loading anything]]>

Did you see my PM on the forums here, if you look in the top bar of the site you should have 1 new message and it has the new exe :)

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2018-06-06T11:07:32+01:00 2018-06-06T11:07:32+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2336&p=12554#p12554 <![CDATA[Re: SkylineLite installs, but dies on loading anything]]> Let us try the debug kernel, please.
Would it be helpfull to reveal what other programs are running, and which services I have set to not run ?
Best regards
CJ

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2018-06-05T19:11:51+01:00 2018-06-05T19:11:51+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2336&p=12553#p12553 <![CDATA[Re: SkylineLite installs, but dies on loading anything]]>
If your up for it, its good news that the renderer is working, so i can set up a custom exe that has some extra information and send it to you to see where on the scene load it is actually crashing.

Do you use discord because we can live chat in PM and screen share if needed, and since your in germany your only 1 hour or so ahead of us.

I will setup an exe and get it sent to you in PM on the forum here though :)

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2018-06-05T17:27:38+01:00 2018-06-05T17:27:38+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2336&p=12552#p12552 <![CDATA[Re: SkylineLite installs, but dies on loading anything]]>
and
there is no "C:\Users\$(User)\Documents\Skyline Game Engine\Asset Library"
only "C:\Users\$(User)\Documents\Skyline Game Engine\UserSettings\AssetLibraryProfile00.ini"
with the following content:

#Skyline User Asset Library Locations
# * Note: Do not manually edit this file. Please use the editor settings instead.
# * Order of libraries matter here as they are loaded in the same order.
#Lower libraries are last to be checked in resource searches.
# * Skyline will manually add the base system library to the bottom of the stack for fallback resources.
# * Skyline will manually add a project (if loaded) to the top of the stack for first resource searches.
# * The last true / false is to enable or disable the library from loading.
# * Disabling the System Library may cause instability.
# * Proper usage of the syntax is necessary for correct parsing.
#==========================================================================================
System Library Enabled|true
UserLib|A:/SkylineLite/UserLib|true

Drive A: is formally correct, it's not a Diskette but a regulat NT-Partition
BUT
this seems to be a remnant of the very first install, which obviously never got updated in subsequent installs.
The current installation is located in D:\Authoring\Skyline
On the other hand, there is no UserLib directory at all in the current installation path, so, I wouldn't know what to update it to manually.
Best regqrds
CJ

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2018-06-05T17:04:20+01:00 2018-06-05T17:04:20+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2336&p=12551#p12551 <![CDATA[Re: SkylineLite installs, but dies on loading anything]]> well, the render seems to be working alright.
I'm getting a light blue workspace with a skyline lite version Logo in the lower left corner and two gadgets that I can operate, e.g., I can call up the Translation Utiliy

Under Ollydebug, the attached log "log.txt" was produced

"Unbenannnt.png" is a screenshot of ollydebug when the 191 MB data table overflow occurs
Interestingly enough, it has increased from 188MB to 191 MB since yesterday, and it only occurs on the first run
"Unbenannt2.png" is a screenshot when the program repeatedly runs into access violation errors.
I m unable to provide dependency walker 32 output, since once it starts collecting, it simply hangs after a while or else when any button or so is pressed.

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2018-06-05T12:07:20+01:00 2018-06-05T12:07:20+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2336&p=12550#p12550 <![CDATA[Re: SkylineLite installs, but dies on loading anything]]> so this begs the question, what dependency is missing from your system.

Will continue to look into this.

Does ollydebug save debug files that can be opened and read on another pc?

The 188mb table could be the resources loading in... not too sure atm.

EDIT:----------------------------------------------------------------
One thing to try to ensure the renderer is working is to not load a scene and just click off from the start screen in which you should just see a blue background colour.

So to test this:
* Load skyline and do not press new scene or load a scene.
* Then press this button:
temp.png

Does it crash? If it doesn't then it means the renderer is fine and its more likely that a file access is being denied, perhaps the user library which is stored in "C:\Users\$(User)\Documents\Skyline Game Engine\Asset Library" or elsewhere.
If this does crash, then something is not compatible with your setup, it seems like you are running an optimus card which are known for causing lots of little issues lol :P

I really want to find this bug and fix it so it means more compatibility across different hardware. :)

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2018-06-05T05:38:36+01:00 2018-06-05T05:38:36+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2336&p=12549#p12549 <![CDATA[Re: SkylineLite installs, but dies on loading anything]]> Ollydebug fails after loading 90% of modules/dlls because it loads a 188bMbyte Table
Xdb32 Reports a dozen or so DEP / Access violation Errors

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2018-06-04T19:51:22+01:00 2018-06-04T19:51:22+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2336&p=12548#p12548 <![CDATA[Re: SkylineLite installs, but dies on loading anything]]>
It doesnt seem to have got past the clearScene that happens when a new scene is loaded. So i think its something to do with the rendering rather than the interface. However, i will see what i can do tomorrow and report back to you :)

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2018-06-04T19:32:28+01:00 2018-06-04T19:32:28+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2336&p=12547#p12547 <![CDATA[Re: SkylineLite installs, but dies on loading anything]]> the screeenie.log is actually an rtf containig screenshots of the win7 sys and nvidia specifications

Thanky you for your help-
CJ

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2018-06-04T19:23:56+01:00 2018-06-04T19:23:56+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2336&p=12546#p12546 <![CDATA[Re: SkylineLite installs, but dies on loading anything]]> Sooo....
like I already said, win 7 is on current patch level, that includes sp1 of course.
please see attched file screenies.rtf for screenshots on the OS level and nvidia level

the VC13 redistibutable x86 and x64 installed, claiming to repair the already installed one
the VC15 redistibutable x86 and x64 wouldn't install, since they found "another" version installed, those versions may have come with the Batman Arkham Games series which are also installed on this machine
The crt link only lead to one top level microsoft web page, it is probably void

the dx11.1 upgrade wouldn't install, because it - as it stated - is "not for my machine"

I produced the logs before I installed the installation of the redist packages and after.
Those from before are respectively renamed, the standard named logs are from the crash after installation.

I could also provide a log created with sysintenals' procmon, restricted to the skyline editor, to see failed attempts to open or read files (but what I saw was rather unconspicuous, so, I'll only send them if you need them).

I could additionally let it run under ollydebug, to get more information, if that is ok with you, you

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2018-06-04T12:37:42+01:00 2018-06-04T12:37:42+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2336&p=12545#p12545 <![CDATA[Re: SkylineLite installs, but dies on loading anything]]>
After a crash while loading, please go to the "$(install location)\Bin\Win32" and send the "Skyline_TechSupport.txt" and the "Skyline.log" as these may give a reason for the crash and help to debug the problem.

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2018-06-04T12:08:01+01:00 2018-06-04T12:08:01+01:00 https://forum.aurasoft-skyline.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2336&p=12544#p12544 <![CDATA[Re: SkylineLite installs, but dies on loading anything]]> Statistics: Posted by SolarPortal — 04 Jun 2018, 12:08


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